minimal drum micing techniques


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sundayhouse
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First off, thanks to Alan for this project and to the engineers that participated.

While there are multiple ways of micing any instrument and everyone has their favorite, I have found that a well tuned drum kit, a dynamic drummer and fewer mics go a long way. These days, for most of the albums I am doing, I am using a modified version of the recorderman set up that was popularized by Glyn Johns among others. I will typically use a kick, snare, high hat, two overheads and a room mic. Here is a video of a different version of this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IiFOD1EeKhQ. Experiment!!

I'm so glad that Sylvia spoke about phase relationship as this is so important. I actually use a cloth tape measure to start with and move the overheads as needed. I will usually place the LDC (I use Peluso P12s which are his version of the C12) about 36-40" above the snare and slightly cheated toward the high hat or kick drum depending on the music. I will place the second overhead over the drummer's right shoulder (right handed drummer) with the capsule the same distance from the center of the snare and pointing right at the middle of the snare head. This is why I use the tape to measure equal distance of the OH mics to the center of the snare drum. Next I place the kick, snare and high hat mic and check the phase relationship with overheads for each one as I place them. I also like to use a dynamic or ribbon mic on the high hat to capture the body of the high hats and allow the overheads and the room mic(s) pick up the the brighter aspects of the high hat.

I usually track with no EQ or compression, carefully match mics/preamps and position.

Here are my current mics of choice for drums from my locker

Kick Heil PR40
Snare SM57
OHs Peluso P12
HH Coles 4038, Cascade FatHead II or SM57
Room Peluso 2247LE, AT4033, AT4047, Oktava MK012 or Shure KSM32 depending on the music and player.
If a song really needs close mic'd toms MD421

If you have any questions, please feel free to contact me.

Stephen Ceresia
engineer/producer
Sundayhouse Studio
http://www.sundayhouse.org
studio@sundayhouse.org

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I have done a similar set up

I have done a similar set up with all Earthworks mics which are absolutely spectacular. The imaging is amazing, and very natural sounding. HINT: Have a great drums set. There is no hiding an ugly drum sound with this technique.

Happy recording,

Tom Size
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Just wondering

I got this email for the site, registered cause i was curious about the free two hours & 30 minutes?
I realize nothings free, just need to know how to acquire the footage ?

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From the home page, you will

From the home page, you will find two options on the left hand side - one to order a '6-pack' of sections for download, or to pre-order the DVD, which also includes all online content.

You can also select one of the individual sections available on the right hand side from the home page. You will then have the option to stream the section for $0.99, or to download the individual section for $4.99.

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Hi There are so many

Hi
There are so many alternatives of mic'ing a drum set, varying from the classic 2 microphone setup (Beatles) to multi-mic, however the importance here is the need at the time of recording rather than the technique and sometimes the simpler approach produces the best sound.

I have done the two microphone setups on drums for rehearsal recordings using different microphones than normally used for the standard setups and got excellent results, but when you use multiple mic techniques the mic choice itself becomes more important than the placement.

One little tip, try a medium cost 'large condenser' for the kick, placed outside but not too far away the sound hole and add EQ where appropriate.

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Omission in the existing video file.

Hi all,

Reference the above point, the last section of the drum video has a title 'Overheads and Ambience', but only the ambient mikes are mentioned.

This would appear a fairly major omission for the drum section if you want to cover all bases and levels of potential buyer for the DVD and online media.

I would guess (hope) that this material was recording in the session, but remains to be included. The whole previous section regarding phase is especially relevant to the careful positioning of the overheads, so some futher discussions of the basics and any special tips from the delightfully dry wit of Alan would be well appreciated.

I hope such constructive comments help and I look forward to seeing the next sections.

Cheers,

Ewan

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Drum tuning

It was obvious that there was material on drum tuning that was cut from the video. It seemed that there were only a couple of snippets of the tuning discussion. I would have liked to hear more from Simon on his personal approach to drum tuning.

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This would appear a fairly

This would appear a fairly major omission for the drum section if you want to cover all bases and levels of potential buyer for the DVD and online media.
I have done the two microphone setups on drums for rehearsal recordings using different microphones than normally used for the standard setups and got excellent results, but when you use multiple mic techniques the mic choice itself becomes more important than the placement.
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Earthworks - Worth the money?

I have recently seen ads for these kits of the earthworks for drum kits.

While I have used a few for acoustic piano recording and for analyses tools, I was just wondering on a scale of 1 to 10 how well you like the earthworks system for and overall drum recording tool? is it worth the moohlah?

Thanks!

Dana

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Overhead discussion cut out

Yes, it would seem that the description of the far OH set (large condensers) has been cut, only the "different/bright" near set is mentioned. Hope to see a re-edit of this chapter, which I otherwise really like, though the basics are explained, there's still inspiration to be found for more seasoned engineers.

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Next I place the kick, snare

Next I place the kick, snare and high hat mic and check the phase relationship with overheads for each one as I place them
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